Map sensor for Evo 360

[Gsimad]

What size of map sensor is used on the Evo 360? As this is all i need to get car running for PV2004.

Thanks Craig

 

[CEAR]

I would think the original should be recalibrated as part of the Evo360 software upgrade.

 

[Samy]

On the new mappings 325kpa.

 

[Gsimad]

Map sensor

Where do i get hold of the 325Kpa Map sensor?

craig

 

[Samy]

if you buy a evo you get them in exchange to the stock one.

 

[TURBO maniak]

if you buy a evo you get them in exchange to the stock one.

Sorry for offtopic :!:

Samy are you sell Evo 450 but only elektronic kit without engine parts like pistons, rods, cams and etc. ? If you are, please PM me any info and price :wink: And wath are you think, is the Garrett GT25R ball bearing turbo

suitable for Evo 450 software :?:

 

[Samy]

No we dont sell the software alone you need much changes to the engine to get it stable and i whould appreciate that over 95% of the customers wouldn't change most of the parts because of saving money. So we only sell the hole kit with setup on the customers car that all fits 100%. 450ps out of 2L displacement are much more risky then for exampel 280ps, where you can mount nearly anything and the engine still runs.


Not only the number on the charger matters , what a/r of the compressor hausing, what compressor trim? what a/r of the exhaust and what trim of the exhaust turbine?

 

[TURBO maniak]

No we dont sell the software alone you need much changes to the engine to get it stable and i whould appreciate that over 95% of the customers wouldn't change most of the parts because of saving money. So we only sell the hole kit with setup on the customers car that all fits 100%. 450ps out of 2L displacement are much more risky then for exampel 280ps, where you can mount nearly anything and the engine still runs.

Yes i know this, i already have new forged low compression pistons, new Arrow steel rods, new Z20LET head gasket, new big head bolts, steel oil pump gear, nylon pressure valve for oil pump, ERL water injection too, big intercooler from Mitsubishi Evo 6, Bosch 909 fuel pump, full 76mm exhaust without cat, and etc. At this moment i drive with standart LET exhaust cam and with 260 degree inlet cam with 10.3mm valve lift, i use original hydraulic lifters. I have Apexi AVC-R boost controler and Lotec Phase 3 chipset in my ECU, that is my problem....i want more good electronic for my car. I think for four additional injectors or only four injectors but around 750cc/min. I know that Evo 450 is very high pressured engine, but i want to go over 400hp and i will :wink:

Not only the number on the charger matters , what a/r of the compressor hausing, what compressor trim? what a/r of the exhaust and what trim of the exhaust turbine?

Turbo is with T04S 0.70 compressor A/R, 100mm inlet flange, 44lbs compressor wheel flow and 48 trim, exhaust is 0.64 A/R with 76 trim. Turbo is with internall wastegate.

 

[AstraTurbo]

Then you should go for a programmable ECU and get rid of the old fashion motronic. We use Electromotive on our customer cars (in Norway). Other systems are Autronic, Haltech, Hestec, Motec etc.

It's more expensive, but defentetly worth the cost.

 

[TURBO maniak]

Then you should go for a programmable ECU and get rid of the old fashion motronic. We use Electromotive on our customer cars (in Norway). Other systems are Autronic, Haltech, Hestec, Motec etc.

It's more expensive, but defentetly worth the cost.

These stand alone EMS are very expensive and extra cost is time and fuel for mapping :wink: I don't have base map fot LET too and if i use stand alone i will go from zero :? I think and for variant with Perfect Power SMT6 piggy back EMS and additional injectors(2 or 4), wath are you think for this decision, and can i use Apexi AVC-R map sensor with SMT6 . I choice SMT6 because i can adjust and ignition timing too together with fuel curve. I think too for any other additional injector controller but i don't know what boost can i reach with Lotec Phase 3 software and clamped MAP sensor(MAP is clamped with 4.9V cener diode and can't see pressure above 0.95bar in example) without chanse of deadly detonation. Really Motronik have knock correction advance table and i think that if i boost extremly high(like 1.5-1.6bar hold to redline) ECU can adjust advance safely :roll:

AstraTurbo please tell me your opinion and give me any sites with info for your Norway Opels(Vauxhalls) :wink:

 

[AstraTurbo]

These stand alone EMS are very expensive and extra cost is time and fuel for mapping :wink: I don't have base map fot LET too and if i use stand alone i will go from zero :?

If you buy Electromotive from me or my partner in Germany (DH Exclusiv) we have base map for C20LET. We can also tune your Electromotive correctly.

I think and for variant with Perfect Power SMT6 piggy back EMS and additional injectors(2 or 4), wath are you think for this decision, and can i use Apexi AVC-R map sensor with SMT6 . I choice SMT6 because i can adjust and ignition timing too together with fuel curve.

SMT6 is a good choice if you can't afford a standalone system. But it's more difficult to program and you must start from scratch as you say. I don't know if you can use the Apexi map sensor on SMT6, but I think MAP-sensors are a universal part and then you can use it.

I think too for any other additional injector controller but i don't know what boost can i reach with Lotec Phase 3 software and clamped MAP sensor(MAP is clamped with 4.9V cener diode and can't see pressure above 0.95bar in example) without chanse of deadly detonation. Really Motronik have knock correction advance table and i think that if i boost extremly high(like 1.5-1.6bar hold to redline) ECU can adjust advance safely :roll:

Motronic has knock control yes, but if the electromotive (or similar) is mapped correctly you don't need knock control.

AstraTurbo please tell me your opinion and give me any sites with info for your Norway Opels(Vauxhalls) :wink:

Well, we have the Opel Motorsport Club at www.opelmotorsport.com. Otherwise there is not many sites worth seeing. But we have some interesting cars in Norway, for example Vectra Turbo RWD, Toyota Hi Lux with C20LET and 4x4 working perfectly (car died two years ago), Manta with Lotus Omega engine (is being built now, approx. 800hp).

 

[TURBO maniak]

If you buy Electromotive from me or my partner in Germany (DH Exclusiv) we have base map for C20LET. We can also tune your Electromotive correctly.

I am from Bulgaria country, i can't bring the car to Norway or Germany, this is a lot lot expensive job :lol:

I think too for any other additional injector controller but i don't know what boost can i reach with Lotec Phase 3 software and clamped MAP sensor(MAP is clamped with 4.9V cener diode and can't see pressure above 0.95bar in example) without chanse of deadly detonation. Really Motronik have knock correction advance table and i think that if i boost extremly high(like 1.5-1.6bar hold to redline) ECU can adjust advance safely :roll:

Motronic has knock control yes, but if the electromotive (or similar) is mapped correctly you don't need knock control.

Yes true, but now i try to test what i can do with original ECU and additional fuel injectors and controller. I have wide band lambda and i think that fuel adjusting will not be a big problem for me.....but i am worry for ignition timing and whether ECU knock correction will adequate retard timing on high boost :?.

AstraTurbo if this is not secret, can you share your 400ps 4x4 Vectra engine and transmition setup :?: Are you use piston oil spray bars, block and crankshaft strengthen plate, what type of cranck, pistons, rods and etc. are you use :?:


Block and Crankshaft strengthen plate

 

[AstraTurbo]

I am from Bulgaria country, i can't bring the car to Norway or Germany, this is a lot lot expensive job :lol:

Take a holiday in Germany

Yes true, but now i try to test what i can do with original ECU and additional fuel injectors and controller. I have wide band lambda and i think that fuel adjusting will not be a big problem for me.....but i am worry for ignition timing and whether ECU knock correction will adequate retard timing on high boost :?.

Then I would try a piggy-back system like PerfectPower SMT6 or similar. You should not trust the knock sensor. On Electromotives we take it away and map the car correctly. The perfect timing is mostly 3-4 degrees under the knocking so it's not a big problem if the fuel quality has a tiny difference. 98 octane doesn't need to be 98, it can also be 97,5 or 98,5.

AstraTurbo if this is not secret, can you share your 400ps 4x4 Vectra engine and transmition setup :?: Are you use piston oil spray bars, block and crankshaft strengthen plate, what type of cranck, pistons, rods and etc. are you use :?:

It's not a big secret. I start from the bottom and up. Standard oilpan, strengthen crankshaftplate and ARP mainstuds (no use in the plate if you don't buy ARP mainstuds) will be mounted soon but it's not needed before 500hp I think. Own produced flywheel in steel at 6,6kg, Crankshaft custom made from Swindon in UK, Carrillo rods thinner then original and 139mm long, custom made Mahle pistons to fit new rod, cooling of the pistons (unterbodenkuhlung/oil spray of pistons), stronger wheel in the oil pump, Z20LET head gasket, +1mm valves, bronze valve steerings, ported head, dbilas adjustable cam gears, XE camshafts, ARP head studs, Lexmaul ram induction for XE. Turbocharger from Volvo S60R. Electromotive Tec3 ECU.

Within 6 months I will install double valve springs, head will be ported more, our own inlet manifold, other camshafts from dbilas. Then I will go to 8500rpm, now I'll stop at 7700 or something.

If I get my Vectra approved with RWD I'll go for a Tremec TKO-500 gearbox and a Garrett GT35R or 40R turbocharger. Then I won't quit before I make 550hp at the wheels.

Now I have a F28 with 280.000km on the clock and a 1 year old racing-VG from Hürlimann. The clutch is something from Sandtler, sinter type.

Additional I have Greddy Profec Spec II boost controller and some Autometer instruments inside the car. Standard Vectra 2000 outside and inside.

Brakes are Porsche 299mm rear and Porsche front with 315mm AP Racing disc (to have the oppurtunity to drive with 16" wheel).