Phase 4 electronic control kit

[yunis]

whats the situation with the phase 4 engine control? is the chip totally different to the phase 3 and 3.5? what other parameters are included in the engine control?? would it be possible to fit phase 4 to the ecu, or you have to fit phase 3 first?

 

[yunis]

Phase 4 elektronisches Steuerinstallationssatz, was die Situation mit der Phase 4 Triebwerkbedienanlage ist-? ist der Span von der Phase 3 und 3,5 total verschieden? was sind andere Parameter in die Triebwerkbedienanlage? miteingeschlossen? würde es möglich sein, Phase 4 zum ECU zu passen, oder Sie müssen Phase 3 zuerst passen?

 

[patrick204]

Hi yunis

That german tradition is funny, did you use a translator on the web?

The Phase 3 or 4 is just an addon chip and a small board (dampfrad) which manages the boost pressure, for the original ECU, the only difference is the setup for the ignition, the 5th injector and so on..
So you don't need to change your ECU if you wan't phase4 you don't need phase 3 installed first.

Mfg Patrick

 

[Das Böse]

Hi yunis,
the phase 4 chip is different from phase 3.It has to control a 5th fuel injector and a bigger turbo charger.Also the phase 4 uses another "einlassnockenwelle"(don't know the english translation for that).You don't need to have phase 3 to buy/run phase 4.
MfG
DAS BÖSE

 

[Joe]

Einlassnockenwelle = inlet cam shaft

Yunisaz, have you meanwhile got the right bearings ?
My apologies for having forgotten to send you the right GM number. Do you still need it ?

 

[yunis]

hi there its amazing i get a responce when i post in altavista german!!

i have done other mods to my engine, ie, low compression, uprated rods, uprated cams, ported head, evo6 ic, higher flow injectors, rising rate FPR, uprated ignition, hybrid turbo, the engine has been fully rebuilt.....so now i want to take care of the boost and engine management, i am considering the uni chip and apexi setup...but some ppl in the uk have had problems with the unichip...so im looking for alternatives....

I was told be some ppl i need to get phase 3 first and then buy the adition bits ie phase 4 chip, the bar map sensor and some other things....

the above info is mismatched one person say i need phase3 and the other say i dont????? im confused

i dont wan to waste money buying the phase 3 chip and then throw it away for the phase 4

I have asked arno for info but i didnt get a reply from him....

 

[yunis]

joe, thats ok, i managed to get some KSchmidt ones, the wide spec.....

 

[exmantaa]

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I have done other mods to my engine, ie, low compression, uprated rods, uprated cams, ported head, evo6 ic, higher flow injectors, rising rate FPR, uprated ignition, hybrid turbo, the engine has been fully rebuilt.....so now i want to take care of the boost and engine management....
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If I read all this, you will need someone who can adjust fuel and ignition exactly to your specs! Your engine differs that much from a normal LET (cams, compression, injectors and ported....) that "a standard LET chip" (phase 3 is for a standard engine!) will not work properly.
Arno can probably re-program the Motronic exactly for your needs.(if he has time), or you need something like Motec, Weber/Alpha, TEC2/3 or maybe the Unichip piggyback solution.....

Sound like a great engine, keep us posted!

Frank

 

[yunis]

thanks, so what is arnos email? i sent a mail to info@eds....... didnt get a reply

 

[exmantaa]

You are not the only person with that problem........
Keep trying.

Best solution is to phone EDS directly! They used to work there only after 1800h (it's not his dayjob!) and Saturdays, but maybe that changed now.

I don't think he can just send you a working chip for your car. You probably have to visit EDS somehow with your car/engine, so he can adjust the program during testdriving.
Don't know where you live, but it may need some time......

In the US a lot of home-tuners use a TEC2 or TEC3 ECU which can be programmed by yourself. Do a search on the net.
I know that several Mazda-MX5 owners use with amazing results on their turbo-ed cars... (300+ turbo-PS on rear wheels with a "standard"1,8l engine!)
Also the LINK-unit is widely used there. I think this is cheaper than Motec or something similar.

Will save you a trip to Germany, if you know what you are doïng....
Otherwise it can cost you an engine.

Frank

 

[yunis]

well im in the uk, so im sure once i get everything ready its possible i can take a drive to germany.......

i dont really want another ecu, i will see how the unichip works on a let in the uk,if the feedback is positive ill go for that otherwise i may consider the phase4 chip route

 

[exmantaa]

** its possible i can take a drive to germany**

That may be your biggest roblem, program the engine properly so you CAN drive to Germany....

Looked to the Unichip once for my friends MR2-turbo, but basically they only cranked up the boost. Same powercurve, no improvements. We have exactly the same result now with a simple boostvalve.....

In the UK is a certain Mr. Dave Walker from CCC-magazine. (Cars & Car Conversions) He uses an MBE-ECU to tune the engines on the rolling road, with very good results. Turbo or non-turbo engine.
He did an article once about the effect of different style throttle bodies on Opel-XE engine, from Webers, 45mm TB's, 48's, long and short trumpets to original BTCC slide-throttle, complete with dyno-runs. Great article, and 230Ps from slight modified XE's is not bad.....

Buy the magazine and read their Tech-pages.
Then call him to see what he can do for you.
Since the LET already has a lot of sensors standard, it may be cheaper than you think.......

Frank

 

[ASH]

Hi Yunis !

Please contact our local sales partner in the UK : Regal Autosport !

They have prepared Phase-4 ECUs on stock and we can adjust your lookup-tables to your high flow injectors !

Please tell me your actual flow rate per minute at 3.0 bar fuel pressure , so i can design the fulling !

Any servise is done by me through regal , so you dont have to drive so far !

I send them any programm by mail , so that we are very felxibel !

Dave Franczack has got his phase-4 ECU and he is VERY satisfied with the extra power he got !

regards ASH

PS : Dont know why you didnt reach me by mail , some mails that I repeated came back to me with a non delivery warning !